Stewart Copeland was a globetrotter long before he conquered the world with the Police.
Born in Virginia, he grew up in Egypt, Lebanon and London. After settling behind the drum kit with the Police in 1977, Copeland played everywhere from New York鈥檚 Shea Stadium to the Tokyo Dome. But he says he holds a special place in his heart for North Texas.
鈥淒allas-Fort Worth and I go way, way back,鈥� says the 71-year-old drummer-composer. 鈥淥ne of the high points in my life was with the Dallas Symphony at the Meyerson, with those five crazy Texans in D鈥橠rum[in 2011],鈥� he remembers. 鈥淭he Fort Worth Opera did a brilliant show with my first opera [in 1990]. And I had a great experience doing classes at SMU [in 2012].鈥�
Copeland returns to the Hilltop this month to accept Southern Methodist University鈥檚 Meadows Award for 鈥渆xcellence in the arts.鈥� He鈥檒l perform with the Meadows Symphony Orchestra on April 16 at the Meyerson Symphony Center in a concert titled 鈥淧olice Deranged for Orchestra.鈥�
With the Police, Copeland was one of rock鈥檚 jazziest and least predictable drummers 鈥� for proof, just listen to 鈥淩oxanne.鈥� He鈥檚 been impossible to peg ever since, composing for films and dance and writing operas based on the life of Nikola Tesla and the work of Edgar Allan Poe.
I spoke with Copeland by phone from his home in Los Angeles. Our conversation has been edited for clarity.
鈥淧olice Deranged for Orchestra鈥� is such an intriguing title. Why鈥檇 you call it that?
Before I turned them into orchestral arrangements, I took the band鈥檚 recordings and carved them up into unholy shapes. I put this verse with that chorus, and this bass line with that song, and generally scrambled up the Police material. It wasn鈥檛 so much an arrangement or a mashup as a de-arrangement.
You鈥檝e taught countless students over the years. When you were a student, did you have a teacher or mentor who inspired you?
I had an entire mentorship in one moment. I was majoring in music in college, and the homework one night was to write 16 bars of music [for piano] with certain rules of harmony. Of course, I already had tons of music. I鈥檝e always been composing. But I can鈥檛 play piano. I can鈥檛 play 鈥淢ary Had a little Lamb.鈥� So I found one of my pieces and adapted it to this homework exercise, and I brought it into class. The teacher plays all the pieces by the other students and says, 鈥淭his is fine.鈥� Then she comes to my piece and plays it and says, 鈥淪tewart! This is actual music!鈥�
There I was, the runt of the litter at the back of the class, just barely able to keep up with all these other students who鈥檇 been playing piano all their lives. It might sound like faint praise, but boy, that moment was enough to set me on a career in music.
Since the Police split up in 1986, you鈥檝e been composing for ballet, opera and TV, but mostly for film. How does film work differ from composing for rock 鈥榥鈥� roll?
For me, in a rock band, I just bang s---, and if I鈥檓 writing songs, I hammer them out on a guitar with my three or four chords that I know. I did write the original songs for the Police, but then as soon as Sting got in the saddle with Andy Summers and harmonic sophistication [developed], that鈥檚 when the hits started to come.
I humbly submit that the film composer is not an artist, really. He鈥檚 a craftsman in the service of the art of the director. He鈥檚 a musician with the widest set of skills in all of music because he has to go where the boss points him. If the boss says, 鈥淚 need you to do some Rodgers and Hammerstein-type stuff here,鈥� well, I don鈥檛 even like Rodgers and Hammerstein, but I gotta study up and figure out how to create that atmosphere.
My first film was a big breakthrough. Out of the blue, I was called by Francis Ford Coppola to score his [1983] film "Rumble Fish." And I had no idea how you do that. He was my mentor. He taught me how you create music for a specific purpose and turn it into a very sophisticated emotional landscape. 鈥淭ell the audience to be afraid here. Tell the audience that this is a joke.鈥� He turns around one day and says, 鈥淭his is all really great, but it needs strings.鈥� So these string players come in, and oh my God, it was just so beautiful to hear those chords I couldn鈥檛 really play properly. I was transported. And thus began a 40-year journey with the orchestra.
You had a unique childhood. Your dad was a member of the CIA, and you grew up in Cairo, Beirut and London. How did living in all those places influence your drumming in the Police?
It had a pretty big effect. You could call me a 鈥渄iplobrat.鈥� I had left America when I was 2 months old and I didn鈥檛 get back until I was, like, 18. America was a shining city on a hill for me. I was the most patriotic American alive, because I never saw the place. But as I was desperately trying to be American, the music of Arabia surrounded me. It just went into my DNA without me even knowing it.
By coincidence, Arabic music shares some fundamental building blocks with reggae, of all things: They both emphasize the third beat of the bar, whereas all American music is 鈥�1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4.鈥� When I was in London in 1977, punk rock was blazing away, but the DJs would chill things out sometimes with dub reggae. Topper Headon of the Clash was the first skinny white kid in the class to attempt to play reggae. But he had to learn it, while it was immediately a piece of cake to me. I could just have fun and run circles around it because it was already part of my rhythmic DNA.
You kept pursuing world music, going to Africa to record "The Rhythmatist" [1985] before Paul Simon went there. And you won Grammys in 2022 and 2023 for your work with Indian composer Ricky Kej. What鈥檚 your take on the term 鈥渃ultural appropriation?鈥�
Cultural appropriation comes in many shapes and forms, and some of it is wrong, like when you take textiles made in Nepal, and make lots of it and sell it at Nordstrom for a fortune without compensating the source.
Nobody 鈥� white, Black, yellow, red or green 鈥� can play American music without having appropriated from Black culture. The most significant feature of our music derives from Black culture, the backbeat, which was invented in 1898 by one Dee Dee Chandler, who invented the most important instrument of the last couple centuries, the bass drum pedal. That鈥檚 where the backbeat and the groove came from, in jazz, rock, funk, soul, rap, all of it. So when it comes to cultural appropriation, any American musician is taking artifacts from Black culture and, in my own case, from Arabic and Jamaican culture as well. So I鈥檓 [guilty]. String me up now.
You recently described a recording session with the Police as 鈥渁 combination of those two guys being impatient and me being lazy, which means we only do a few takes and then I go hit the pool.鈥� Did you guys really make records that fast?
Well, not every song. We spent days on some songs, like 鈥淓very Breath You Take.鈥� But most tracks, by far, were achieved very quickly. Sting would show Andy the chords and the riff, while I鈥檓 listening and tapping my knees. 鈥淥K. Let鈥檚 do a take.鈥� And whatever I鈥檇 come up with right then and there is the record for eternity. The drums are locked in, whereas the guitar and bass and vocals, they get to redo all that to perfect their parts.
The upside is that 鈥淪tingo鈥� had very little opportunity to get in my grill, although he had a tougher and tougher time with compromise in the band, because he really did have a complete vision of the music. But in this context, because he was impatient and I was lazy, it actually saved a lot of conflict for us to work that quickly.
You鈥檝e explored so many areas of music. What do you want to accomplish in the future?
Well, there are not that many people left in the world that I need to impress, except for my siblings. Sting and Andy will always be those older brothers that I need to impress.
People say, 鈥淲hat do you do for kicks? What鈥檚 your recreation?鈥� And wow, my work closely resembles a recreation. On my holiday, I鈥檒l probably write an opera. It鈥檚 like making model airplanes. I wake up every day and rush through breakfast so I can get back to work, you know? I鈥檓 very thankful I found a line of work that lights me up. It never gets old. Here I am, 70-something years old, and music hasn鈥檛 even started to hint at getting old.
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Stewart Copeland and the Meadows Symphony Orchestra perform 鈥淧olice Deranged for Orchestra鈥� at 7:30 p.m., Tuesday, April 16, at the Meyerson Symphony Center, 2301 Flora St., Dallas.
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