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Texas lawmakers hear from Dr. Phil, John Grisham on Robert Roberson's conviction

A man looks directly into the camera through a window while holding a corded phone up to his ear.
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The Innocence Project
Robert Roberson photographed at the TDCJ Polunsky Unit in Livingston, Texas.

Texas lawmakers probing the validity of evidence used to convict Texas death row inmate Robert Roberson heard testimony Monday from witnesses including TV personality Phillip 鈥淒r. Phil鈥 McGraw and author John Grisham 鈥 but no testimony from Roberson himself, who was barred from appearing in person by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton.

The Texas House Committee on Criminal Jurisprudence in a hearing about the use of shaken baby syndrome to convict him in the 2002 death of his 2-year-old daughter Nikki.

But while Roberson鈥檚 anticipated testimony drew interest from the public and lawmakers alike, Paxton said over the weekend . Instead, Paxton said he would have to testify via Zoom.

In a letter to the House committee Saturday, Roberson鈥檚 attorney Gretchen Sween said Roberson wouldn鈥檛 be able to communicate effectively over video because he is autistic and is unfamiliar with modern technology, having been in prison for more than 20 years.

The committee agreed with Sween and was working on an arrangement to have Roberson appear at a later date, according to committee chair Joe Moody, D-El Paso.

鈥淭hat doesn't mean Robert won't testify at all,鈥 Moody said. 鈥淚n the spirit of cooperation, we are in talks with the attorney general's office right now about ways their position can be addressed while allowing our committee to hear Robert in person.鈥

Phil McGraw, who hosts the talk show "Dr. Phil," finishes testifying before the Texas House Committee on Criminal Jurisprudence during a hearing about the death penalty case of Robert Roberson on Oct. 21, 2024, at the Texas State Capitol.
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KUT News
Phil McGraw, who hosts the talk show "Dr. Phil," finishes testifying before the Texas House Committee on Criminal Jurisprudence during a hearing about the death penalty case of Robert Roberson on Oct. 21, 2024, at the Texas State Capitol.

Prosecutors successfully argued Roberson violently shook Nikki, but the validity of shaken baby syndrome has been widely disputed since then. His legal team says

Dr. Phil, , told legislators he spoke with Roberson directly and reviewed the evidence in his case extensively. He said he doesn鈥檛 believe any crime was committed, nor was the state鈥檚 junk science law sufficiently applied in Roberson鈥檚 case.

鈥淚 am 100% convinced that we're facing a miscarriage of justice here,鈥 McGraw said. 鈥淚 say that because I do not believe that Mr. Roberson has had due process in this case."

Roberson didn鈥檛 show any signs that he was lying, McGraw said, but it was clear Roberson struggled to communicate due to his autism and he should have gotten more help to express himself in his defense decades ago. Roberson鈥檚 attorneys say his odd reaction to his daughter鈥檚 death was due to his autism and contributed to his conviction.

Terre Compton, one of the original jurors in Roberson鈥檚 trial, now believes he is innocent and rejected the state鈥檚 argument that Roberson鈥檚 case is not a shaken baby case. She said all the evidence presented to the jury at the time indicated Nikki died of shaken baby syndrome, though Compton said she did not see any evidence of bruising to show Nikki was hit with anything. 

Jurors also did not hear about the child鈥檚 pneumonia, her history of illness or that Nikki was given Phenergan to treat her fever, a medicine

The new research showing Roberson was possibly wrongfully convicted brought Compton to tears when she spoke about it with her husband and friend, she said.

鈥淢y decision 21 years ago was getting ready to come to realization, and I literally, in my eyes, was killing a man that I knew was innocent, and I was going to have to live with that,鈥 she said.

The hearing also drew protestors at the Capitol in support of Roberson. Among them was Barrett Hess, who's studying to be an Episcopal priest at the Seminary of the Southwest in Austin.

"For me 鈥 and I think for a lot of Christians 鈥 the death penalty is never acceptable. I think that it's especially egregious when there's a possibility that the person might be innocent," said Hess. "It really seems like, especially given how bipartisan the committee is that wants him to be exonerated, that there's a lot of evidence that indicates that he didn't commit the crime he's accused of. Which makes this even more of an urgent case.鈥

A man in a black shirt stands holding a banner that鈥檚 says Execute Justice Not Robert Roberson
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The Texas Newsroom
Protestor Bob Smilie holds a sign in support of Robert Roberson outside a hearing at the state capitol, Oct. 21, 2024. Roberson is on death row but supporters say his 鈥渟haken baby syndrome鈥 conviction is based on junk science.

Earlier this month, the state鈥檚 highest criminal court overturned a Dallas County man鈥檚 conviction involving shaken baby syndrome, a case Roberson鈥檚 attorneys hoped would encourage the court to grant a stay of his execution but did not.

In a historic move, a bipartisan group of Texas lawmakers subpoenaed Roberson to testify in front of the House committee. A Travis County judge issued an injunction the day of the execution to uphold the subpoena and delay Thursday鈥檚 execution.

The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals reversed that ruling, clearing the way for Roberson鈥檚 execution again. But the Texas Supreme Court, usually the state鈥檚 court of last resort for civil cases, ruled the subpoena must be honored and thus blocked Roberson鈥檚 execution.

Execution dates must be set at least 91 days in advance, , so the earliest Roberson can be executed is now January. Three of the five Court of Criminal Appeals judges who denied Roberson鈥檚 appeals without explaining their reasoning will no longer be on the court by then. 

Judges Barbara Hervey, Sharon Keller and Michelle Slaughter were beaten by Paxton-backed Republican challengers during the March primary election. Depending on the results of the Nov. 5 election, that opens up some options for Roberson鈥檚 case. That鈥檚 according to Elsa Alcala, a former Court of Criminal Appeals judge who testified during Monday鈥檚 hearing.

If one of those new judges joins the four judges who voted to pause Roberson鈥檚 execution, his execution could be formally stayed and his case could be reheard, even without the request of Roberson鈥檚 attorneys.

However, the three new judges could also vote to clear the way for Roberson鈥檚 death.

鈥淎nd if that happens,鈥 Alcala said, 鈥淚 don鈥檛 know of a way to avoid execution.鈥

But the court could also rehear Roberson's case right now, Alcala added.

Gov. Greg Abbott鈥檚 office remained quiet on Roberson鈥檚 case until Sunday, when his office urged the Texas Supreme Court to reject the House's subpoena of Roberson. In a letter, Abbott鈥檚 general counsel James Sullivan wrote only the governor may grant clemency and delay executions for 30 days, but state lawmakers have effectively delayed Roberson鈥檚 execution for much longer, violating the separation of powers outlined in the Texas Constitution.

鈥淣obody other than the Governor, in any branch of this State鈥檚 government, can exercise that constitutional clemency power,鈥 Sullivan wrote. 鈥淣ot the House Committee on Criminal Jurisprudence. Not the 53rd Judicial District Court of Travis County. Not the Court of Criminal Appeals. Not even the Supreme Court of Texas.鈥

John Grisham, a novelist, lawyer and former member of the Mississippi House of Representatives, testifies before the Texas House Committee on Criminal Jurisprudence during a hearing about the death penalty case of Robert Roberson on Oct. 21, 2024, at the Texas State Capitol.
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KUT News
John Grisham, a novelist, lawyer and former member of the Mississippi House of Representatives, testifies before the Texas House Committee on Criminal Jurisprudence during a hearing about the death penalty case of Robert Roberson on Oct. 21, 2024, at the Texas State Capitol.

In his comments ahead of the hearing, Rep. Brian Harrison, a North Texas Republican, said the House committee is well within its rights to subpoena Roberson and conduct a hearing.

鈥淚f the House of Representatives cannot exercise legislative oversight to make sure that our laws are not just being faithfully adhered to, but that they are not potentially being so egregiously violated that it may result in the life of a potentially innocent person being taken by the government, then I would posit there may be no matter that could be subject to legitimate legislative oversight,鈥 he said.

Bob Smilie, who brought brought a banner to the Capitol in support of Roberson, called Abbott "willfully ignorant" about Roberson's case.

"He wants to execute a man instead of justice,鈥 Smilie said. 鈥淭hat's what Greg Abbott wants to do. That's what Ken Paxton wants to do. This is criminal behavior by the government.鈥

Toluwani Osibamowo covers law and justice for 四虎影院. She joined the newsroom in 2022 as a general assignments reporter. She previously worked as a news intern for Texas Tech Public Media and copy editor for Texas Tech University鈥檚 student newspaper, The Daily Toreador, before graduating with a bachelor鈥檚 degree in journalism. She was named one of Current's public media Rising Stars in 2024. She is originally from Plano.
Blaise Gainey
Blaise Gainey is a Multimedia Reporter for WFSU News. Blaise hails from Windermere, Florida. He graduated from The School of Journalism at the Florida A&M University. He formerly worked for The Florida Channel, WTXL-TV, and before graduating interned with WFSU News. He is excited to return to the newsroom. In his spare time he enjoys watching sports, Netflix, outdoor activities and anything involving his daughter.